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Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:02 pm
by Dropshot
So if a player is playing at the B level after day one can he play great on Saturday and still make the A finals on Sunday? Or play great on Friday, poor on Saturday and get bumped to B? Given they aren't automatically given an A ranking of course.

Also, given that the PAPA Circuit only awards boints to the top 24 at each event does that mean winning B will give you zero boints towards the tour?

And one final question is about how many players make each division? It says 1/3 but is that of the total amount of players entered or is there a limit to each division and the Consolation tournament keeps getting bigger and bigger with the more entrants that sign up? I see that it can be as many as 90 players per division. Does that mean if there are 210 players that each division will then consist of 70 players or maybe 64 in each to make things simple then the last 12 are consolation?

Thanks Bowen! Just need the hall pass now. No kid and no ring should be an exemption of one shouldn't it?

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:17 pm
by Opto
Dropshot wrote:So if a player is playing at the B level after day one can he play great on Saturday and still make the A finals on Sunday? Or play great on Friday, poor on Saturday and get bumped to B? Given they aren't automatically given an A ranking of course.


Not-Bowen here . . .

The way I understand it . . . no. If you barely miss the A cutoff at the end of day 1, you would then be top seed in the B division starting day 2. Your day 2 groups would only consist of players also in the B division after day 1. If you finish day 2 at the top of B, you're the #1 seed going into the B finals. Not sure how the A/B cutoff works as the heavies are restricted to play in A both days regardless of how well they do (to keep them from sandbagging). I'm assuming it's 1/3's with A division made up of all the players pre-restricted to A, and the rest of the people who scored high enough rounding out that 1/3. This also means that if you're Bowen (if he plays) and you're restricted to A, and tank the first day, you're screwed for day 2 (or have to make a serious winning streak day 2 to qualify), as you're up against all the players records of the people who built up enough "wins" to advance to A.

WPR boints are given out with the last place in A getting more boints than the person who wins B. Not sure about papa circuit boints

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:49 pm
by Opto
Dropshot wrote:I was able to negotiate a ticket for $330 for Thurs/Mon


Book one for Videomode too!

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:22 pm
by videomode
If I can get a ticket for that price I'm in

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:27 pm
by Isaac
Opto wrote:
Dropshot wrote:So if a player is playing at the B level after day one can he play great on Saturday and still make the A finals on Sunday? Or play great on Friday, poor on Saturday and get bumped to B? Given they aren't automatically given an A ranking of course.


Not-Bowen here . . .

The way I understand it . . . no. If you barely miss the A cutoff at the end of day 1, you would then be top seed in the B division starting day 2. Your day 2 groups would only consist of players also in the B division after day 1. If you finish day 2 at the top of B, you're the #1 seed going into the B finals. Not sure how the A/B cutoff works as the heavies are restricted to play in A both days regardless of how well they do (to keep them from sandbagging). I'm assuming it's 1/3's with A division made up of all the players pre-restricted to A, and the rest of the people who scored high enough rounding out that 1/3. This also means that if you're Bowen (if he plays) and you're restricted to A, and tank the first day, you're screwed for day 2 (or have to make a serious winning streak day 2 to qualify), as you're up against all the players records of the people who built up enough "wins" to advance to A.

WPR boints are given out with the last place in A getting more boints than the person who wins B. Not sure about papa circuit boints


That's about what I gathered.

Also last yearwere a lot of ties last year going into A division and a few players that scored between A/B got to choose to move to A or start B as a top qualifier.

I think WPPR pøints are awarded by the final win/loss records of each player. So if you tank in A division you could end up with a lower rank than the B division champion.

-Still Not Bowen

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:02 pm
by bkerins
Dropshot wrote:So if a player is playing at the B level after day one can he play great on Saturday and still make the A finals on Sunday? Or play great on Friday, poor on Saturday and get bumped to B? Given they aren't automatically given an A ranking of course.

Also, given that the PAPA Circuit only awards boints to the top 24 at each event does that mean winning B will give you zero boints towards the tour?

And one final question is about how many players make each division? It says 1/3 but is that of the total amount of players entered or is there a limit to each division and the Consolation tournament keeps getting bigger and bigger with the more entrants that sign up? I see that it can be as many as 90 players per division. Does that mean if there are 210 players that each division will then consist of 70 players or maybe 64 in each to make things simple then the last 12 are consolation?

Thanks Bowen! Just need the hall pass now. No kid and no ring should be an exemption of one shouldn't it?


Others have answered: no. You must play well enough on Day 1 to make A Division. Last year's cutoff was a 25-20 record. There will be more games played this year, so I'm expecting the A cutoff to be 36-24, though it might be one higher or one lower than that. Once you are put in a division based on Friday's play, you are stuck there for Saturday, and the top N in each division (either 16, 24, or 32, depending on how many players register) make the playoffs.

You are correct about PAPA Circuit boints: boints are only awarded to the top 24 in each event. It will be easier to score boints at Northwest and Showdown than at Pinburgh, that's for sure. Winning B will give you $1,500, so you won't be crying too hard about losing the boints battle. PAPA Circuit boints are identical for all 10 events so that there is no guesswork about how much an event is worth.

IFPA is responsible for how WPPR boints are allocated, so I recommend asking them. In general they put all A finishers ahead of all B ahead of all C, though they did something with the "restricted" players that I never understood. Just know that the better you do, the more boints you win, and isn't that always true, especially in Portland? Just keep winning and the boints will flow!

The number of players in A and B is 1/3 the field, rounded up to the next multiple of 4, so that Saturday in A and B is all 4-player groups. At the current number of registrations (189) there would be 64 players in A (189/3 = 63, round up to 64), 64 in B, and the rest (61) in C. All players are assigned to A, B, or C. The "consolation" isn't a division, it's a double-elimination tournament on Sunday for everyone (A, B, and C) who fails to make the playoffs.

There is no limit to the size of any division nor to the consolation tournament. As the number of players grows, the number who qualify in each division will increase, and the number of paid positions in the consolation tournament may increase.

We'd love to have you there and let me know what other questions you have.
- Not-Not-Bowen

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:21 am
by TheStandardNate
It is 3/5, did you buy a ticket Dropshot?

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:02 pm
by Dropshot
Unfortunately I will not be making it this year.

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:42 pm
by bkerins
Boo-urns!

Sorry to hear it. Catch up with you in June in Seattle?

- Bowen
Pinburgh: now serving 203 players, $21,800 in cash prizes

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:13 am
by Raymond
Bowen, will you be at NW Championships this year?

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:40 am
by bkerins
Sir yes sir! I'm happy to be able to attend for the first time, and will be there for the week between. See you there if not sooner.

... $21,900 ...

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:16 pm
by bkerins
In case you haven't seen it yet, the list of games is slowly getting posted here:

http://papa.org/blog/2012/03/pinburgh-game-list/

27 groups (108 games) posted so far, 18 more groups to go. All games have video links so you can check out games if you've never heard of 'em. If you have an idea for a name for a group, let me know. There's a few groups where nobody has really figured out the common link, I guess that's okay!

Pinburgh: now serving 214 players, $22,900 in cash prizes.

Thanks!
- Bowen

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:01 pm
by JDYeager
Minor publicity perhaps, but, tipped off by yours truly, The Interrobang, the companion website to Sirius/XM's Ron & Fez Show (XM 105/Sirius 206 M-F 11-3 ET), has listed Pinburgh in the "Do This:" portion of its "Filtered Excellence" section this week. (Genuine old school pinball enthusiasm is a recurring topic on R&F.)

Here's the link: http://theinterrobang.com/2012/03/the-filtered-excellence-march-15-2012/

I'm in PA and hoping to make it out to Pinburgh; unfortunately I can't get there on Friday, so no competition for me. Except, of course, for the inevitable side competition(s) in which I relieve you of all your hard-earned P-Town goldies....

JD

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:08 am
by bkerins
Awesome, thanks for helping us out. I'm just amazed by the response we've had to the event and hope we live up to it. Two weeks away, and we'll see whether we can cross the 250-player mark.

Have fun this weekend with the NFL-style tournament, it's a really solid idea. Enjoy!
- Bowen

JDYeager wrote:Minor publicity perhaps, but, tipped off by yours truly, The Interrobang, the companion website to Sirius/XM's Ron & Fez Show (XM 105/Sirius 206 M-F 11-3 ET), has listed Pinburgh in the "Do This:" portion of its "Filtered Excellence" section this week. (Genuine old school pinball enthusiasm is a recurring topic on R&F.)

Here's the link: http://theinterrobang.com/2012/03/the-filtered-excellence-march-15-2012/

I'm in PA and hoping to make it out to Pinburgh; unfortunately I can't get there on Friday, so no competition for me. Except, of course, for the inevitable side competition(s) in which I relieve you of all your hard-earned P-Town goldies....

JD

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:18 am
by PatC
JDYeager wrote:I'm in PA and hoping to make it out to Pinburgh; unfortunately I can't get there on Friday, so no competition for me. Except, of course, for the inevitable side competition(s) in which I relieve you of all your hard-earned P-Town goldies....


Rad! It'll be good to see you.

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:46 pm
by bkerins
Less than a week to go now. We're up to 238 players! Thanks everyone, and good luck to those who are coming.

Last chance to give some ideas for game group names @ papa.org/blog.

Take care!
- Bowen

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:00 pm
by Rob
Does anyone need anything brought from the Motor City?
I should be arriving late on Thursday or at the crack of dawn on Friday.

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:45 am
by Opto
Rob - yes. Bring me your EBD. Also - please provide a magical contraption that will allow me to take it as a carry on item for the flight home. Thx.

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:56 am
by emma
I think all who are attending should definitely bring trackies and organize a day to wear them en masse!

Re: Pinburgh 2012

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:57 am
by TheStandardNate
Shit all I have are Indianapolis Colts sweat pants.